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Monte

Founder/Forum Cowboy
Staff member
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#41
The concern I have hear are the numerous studies that show the long-term effects of alcohol on an underage brain--they're not good.




...and everyone else that argued for state's rights....

I should clarify my position on this. I'm both pro macro-government and pro micro-government, just not the in-between. Basically, I say get rid of states' right, allow the Feds to set the baseline upon which everything is built (and it would have to be a broad baseline) and then let counties determine local law. This also feeds off of my point about letting people speak for themselves. It wouldn't be difficult or expensive to set up a secure voting system (for both federal and local levels) that let people vote directly on what they want to become law. President wants to change healthcare? Everybody votes. Not Congress, not some state rep who has no idea how I feel about the issue, but me, with my own voice. State laws are nothing but an impediment, and I say that from experience as a state contractor.


No no, I'm not saying force military service, just required community service. Civic duty and all.


So many yeses.


I feel its also a matter of "Lead By Example". If we disarm, a number of other countries will follow suit. Also, we focus a portion of the military spending on missile defense system and boom, done.


Focus on defense. Stop producing trillion-dollar warships that no one needs, and billion dollar jet programs that don't work. And stop allowing private contractors to take the government for all its worth.


The thing is, if we socialize healthcare and actually make treatment programs affordable/free, you'll
I don't think I've ever seen so many quotes in one post, wow

I actually like the idea of ppl voting on certain issues directly (and the US being more of a direct democracy), but why do you have to get rid of state govts to do that?
 

Dingo

Magic Sky Dog
#44
I feel like that's a gross oversimplification but OK
I mean, if your argument is that smaller gov't is better representative of the people, then why support state gov't that do the same thing as the Feds--lump 15 million people into one whole voting pool.
 

Ahab

Known Poster
Premium Member
#45
I don't think I've ever seen so many quotes in one post, wow

I actually like the idea of ppl voting on certain issues directly (and the US being more of a direct democracy), but why do you have to get rid of state govts to do that?
I myself am not against more of a direct Democracy. I think Dingo is probably of a mind that he does not belive in State governance. Leaving the Big laws and regulations to the Federal. From his Earlier comments I think he would want local government to still manage the day to day things, Zoning laws, City infrastructure, Policing. That sort of thing.

The one advantage to that, as I see it, would be the federal government could create and enforce Enviromental regulations, outside of that I think States should maintain power. The direct voting type of systems would Aid the states in voting as much as the over all federal government so I think its still a good idea.
 

Dingo

Magic Sky Dog
#46
I myself am not against more of a direct Democracy. I think Dingo is probably of a mind that he does not belive in State governance. Leaving the Big laws and regulations to the Federal. From his Earlier comments I think he would want local government to still manage the day to day things, Zoning laws, City infrastructure, Policing. That sort of thing.

The one advantage to that, as I see it, would be the federal government could create and enforce Enviromental regulations, outside of that I think States should maintain power. The direct voting type of systems would Aid the states in voting as much as the over all federal government so I think its still a good idea.
Succinctly stated.
 

Eddie

The Writer
#47
I can agree with a little bit from Everyone. Since there is already so much good information here Im jsut going to clarify my own position on a few things posted by Eddie and @Dingo " Dear babie Jesus please save that socialist, I know he is really a good man".

Drugs: I am of the mind to legalize everything. If people want to destroy themselves that is fine. Penelties for effecting Other peoples lives should be high. There have been some interesting statistics coming out from the states that have legalized weed showing drops in opiate use. I think if everything was made legal and rather than going to jail you went to treatment programs we would see less of the Worst of people and more recovery.

Congress: As it stands, yes to Term limits. Somewhere in the 6-8 year range would be good. I think Term limits alone could make a REAL difference in how our government is run. Multi Party system For the Win. Having two parties has caused ridiculous problems in our government. A 5 party system would allow more people to have there voices heard and would force the groups to work together and create alliances to get anything done, wether it be passing a bill or stopping one, People would have to talk and work to make change.

State rights: I am a firm beliver in state rights for a couple of reasons. As it stands, if I do not like the rules and regulations of a state "example: Gun Laws" I can move to a state that meets my personal beliefe structure. The federal government was meant to be the intermediary for interstate and international trade and to manage the overall defense of our nation. It was not meant to Govern the states. Now I know there are lots of things that have benefited from Government oversite, but over all this has lead us to a giant cumbersome black hole of money suckery and I think it needs to be limited in its power to govern. Let local and state governments make decisions based on what the people in those areas belive and want. If you want to see a REAL rift in this country, just tell everyone that dosent live in a city that they are now going to be forced to follow the rules provided to them by people From cities.

Military: I feel that our military could be shrunk and focus shifted to speacial forces teams and small actions. This would also mean we should not need the Draft as we wouldent be throwing warm bodies into a mulcher, this isnt WW1,2, or vietnam days. Technology fills a lot of Gaps today and could fill more. @Eddie Mentioned only allowing citizens to Join the Military. I do not totally agree with that and here is why. Currently we have Several territories " Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa" , In some cases these folks are not considered citizens and you would be limiting there ability to serve the United states. We also have a program currently that allows Foreign nationals such as the men and women that have helped us in the middle east to join the military and work there way towards citizenship. I personally feel that with the strict rigors of military life and the Militaries ability and experience with vetting people that this is a potential veyr good system to aid in legal immigration.

Prison: The entire Justice system, but the prison system in general is a fucking mess. It is one of the few places that I can aggree with a Socialist " @Dingo " That we should not have a privatized for profit system. If the government is going to make the laws that put people in jail it should be responsible for the system that keeps them there. It also needs massive massive changes from a punishmnet to a rehabilitation based system.

Privacy: I am all for privacy. I am very very all for privacy. I do think that agencies like the NSA have their place, and that place is Protecting us and spying on foreign governments with the only intention of protecting ours. This bullshit of storing exploits and spying on our own people should be eliminated. If your going to have agencies like the CIA and NSA they need to be watched and regulated hard. Some sort of Citizen based bodey to Watch the Watchers so to speak.

I fee like in General we can all agree on things that would help improve the government. Unfortunatly there will always be places we do not see Eye to Eye. And in a way... That is why our currently fucked up system works. Our Government is designed for gridlock. No one can make any BIG changes. We see this currently with the fact that the Trump administration is being Stymied on almost All fronts. Barely able to make any significant changes. Instead, small progressive changes continue to be made. We slowly but shurely as a nation trudge our way forward. Giant, significant, Fast change would be devestating to the stability of our nation. As frustrating as it can be, the system is doing what it was designed to do, keep any one man from fucking things up for Half the country.

Just my 3.50
The thing about citizens wasn't a statement or anything, I was just trying to cover myself, that would be fine with our territories
 

Ahab

Known Poster
Premium Member
#48
The thing about citizens wasn't a statement or anything, I was just trying to cover myself, that would be fine with our territories
Ah, I see. I wasnt sure if you understood that we currently have a number of people working there way towards citizenship through the military now. It is an interesting program that i wish was used more widely. The way our territories work is kind of messed up. They are kind of kind of not citizens and so they can serve and such but then not get all the benefits and medical help that normally go to Vets. I kindof wish the US would either drop the territories or make them all states.
 

Eddie

The Writer
#49
The concern I have hear are the numerous studies that show the long-term effects of alcohol on an underage brain--they're not good.




...and everyone else that argued for state's rights....

I should clarify my position on this. I'm both pro macro-government and pro micro-government, just not the in-between. Basically, I say get rid of states' right, allow the Feds to set the baseline upon which everything is built (and it would have to be a broad baseline) and then let counties determine local law. This also feeds off of my point about letting people speak for themselves. It wouldn't be difficult or expensive to set up a secure voting system (for both federal and local levels) that let people vote directly on what they want to become law. President wants to change healthcare? Everybody votes. Not Congress, not some state rep who has no idea how I feel about the issue, but me, with my own voice. State laws are nothing but an impediment, and I say that from experience as a state contractor.


No no, I'm not saying force military service, just required community service. Civic duty and all.


So many yeses.


I feel its also a matter of "Lead By Example". If we disarm, a number of other countries will follow suit. Also, we focus a portion of the military spending on missile defense system and boom, done.


Focus on defense. Stop producing trillion-dollar warships that no one needs, and billion dollar jet programs that don't work. And stop allowing private contractors to take the government for all its worth.


The thing is, if we socialize healthcare and actually make treatment programs affordable/free, you'll see a massive reduction in this sort of repetitive abuse.


No worries, as I said, I like a good, healthy conversation. :D


This.


This is one key thing we agree on. I'm a firm believer in the idea that, if you have nothing to worry about, what's the harm in letting them look?


I mean, this is factually wrong. Bear in mind, this is what my degree is, and I can speak from both education and experience that the earlier you teach a language, the better.
They only give the kids a little bit, and what it does it teach kids moderation with alcohol so there's actually less alcoholism because of it. In America we have a strange fear of alcohol and talking about it so people don't know how to use it moderately.

I feel the same with required community service as well, volunteer with incentives would be fine.

I agree focus on defense, I'd like that investigation and research done to insure that it's paid for enough to be effective and efficient.

If we do that with the nukes, we will need to do that slowly, in a process not asap, not saying you're saying to it asap.


I feel there is a lot of things we need to fix regarding the budget before we do socialized healthcare, and we should still allow private healthcare for people who want to do that.
 

Eddie

The Writer
#50
Ah, I see. I wasnt sure if you understood that we currently have a number of people working there way towards citizenship through the military now. It is an interesting program that i wish was used more widely. The way our territories work is kind of messed up. They are kind of kind of not citizens and so they can serve and such but then not get all the benefits and medical help that normally go to Vets. I kindof wish the US would either drop the territories or make them all states.
That sounds good, I'm actually in favor of granting stateships to territories like Peurto Rico, and places like it that we control.
 

guul66

Funk Police, Anti-Edgy department
#52
Umm... make that one lone homophobe parliament member not a homophobe.

Got it?

Nice.

Good, that'll be it *whiteboithumbsup*
 

guul66

Funk Police, Anti-Edgy department
#56
Yeah.... I still cannot decipher your new language.
But yeah, sounds good (getting rid of the homophobe asshole).
not get rid of him he was elected into parliament and he can't be taken out until his mandate is over. I'm not for breaking democracy unlike ya'll biches.
I just want him to not be a homophobe.
 

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